S6 Ep31: Changing the Narrative with Regenerative Agriculture with Ryan Slabaugh
“[Regenerative Agriculture] is a mindset that early adopters and farmers have, and it’s a love of life that we’re translating into the food supply, how we look at our food, how we look at our farming, and how we look at our agriculture. This is a multi-generational mindset shift that is dependent upon us.” — Ryan Slabaugh
Our current agricultural system revolves around sustainability— maintaining the status quo while doing minimal damage. But our world can no longer afford this argument. We need a better narrative, a regenerative one that encourages growth, revitalization, and improvement.
By realigning our agricultural practices with the ecological realities of our time, we will be able to approach the future with a hopeful lens. And this requires a shift not only in our mindset but also in our actions.
Think Regeneration, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, was established by Ryan Slabaugh with a focus on the regenerative movement. They are actively developing programs throughout the nation that aim at assisting farmers and ranchers. Their strategy includes revitalizing food cultivation ecosystems, curbing chronic disease rates, amplifying the perspectives of regenerative cultivators, and enhancing community resilience.
Listen in as Justine and Ryan present a different perspective on regenerative farming and how education plays a role in getting the outcome that we want. Plus, they also discuss the challenges faced in the regenerative space, the indispensable role of education in changing the narrative around regeneration, the importance of building the vision before the policy, ways to provide support for farmers and ranchers, and facing the question of long-term sustainability.
Connect with Ryan:
Ryan Slabaugh is the founder and director of Think Regeneration and former executive director of Acres U.S.A., a 51-year-old education and media company known for being the Voice of Eco-Agriculture. Ryan has more than 20 years of experience leading businesses and individuals through change. Ryan is also the chair of the board of directors for Resource Central, a diversified nonprofit in Boulder, Colorado, that supports water management, landfill diversion, and energy use reduction goals for thousands in Colorado and students around the country.
Episode Highlights:
01:38 Meeting Different Needs
04:23 What is Regenerative Agriculture
08:03 The Role of Education
14:03 The Challenge in Changing the Narrative
20:32 The Future of Regenerative Agriculture
23:34 The Biggest Concern
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Inspirational Quotes:
04:02 “Sometimes, when you're too far ahead, it's hard for people to see that vision with you. But people are catching up mostly through education.” —Justine Reichman
04:26 “[Regenerative Agriculture] is a mindset that early adopters and farmers have, and it's a love of life that we're translating into the food supply, how we look at our food, how we look at our farming, and how we look at our agriculture. This is a multi-generational mindset shift that is dependent upon us.” —Ryan Slabaugh
05:49 “If people change the way they're thinking and recognize the impact that food and soil have on their health, wellness, and the environment, we're just one step closer to getting there.” —Justine Reichman
08:03 “The more that we work to educate and inform people, the more people will demand to make that shift. But without education, people don't know. And if you don't know, you can't ask or you can't demand that. Education is the key.” —Justine Reichman
13:14 “Abundance is the underlying goal, not scarcity.” —Ryan Slabaugh
15:07 “Some of these other common [regenrative] practices that we see happening are all good. It's just a matter of making sure that we don't stop too soon. There’s work to be done.” —Ryan Slabaugh
21:03 “[Farmers and ranchers] fundamentally need the support to lead this movement. They're the best to lead this movement, they HAVE to lead this movement. And we've got to make sure that they don't lose their place.” —Ryan Slabaugh
24:34 “Our biggest concern right now is long-term sustainability.” —Ryan Slabaugh
Transcriptions:
Justine Reichman: Good morning, and welcome to Essential Ingredients. I'm your host, Justine Reichman. Today with me, I have the pleasure of having Ryan Slabaugh of Think Regeneration. Ryan, so pleased to have you here.
Ryan Slabaugh: It's an honor to be here. I really appreciate you taking the time.
Justine Reichman: Yeah. I think it's a really interesting topic. There's so much going on in it, and it needs some clarity. I'm excited to have you on to help me better understand, as well as our listeners and our viewers. So let's kick it off with maybe you telling us what Think Regeneration is?
Ryan Slabaugh: Well, we are a new 501c3 nonprofit. We started late last year. We've got a board of directors of farmers and ranchers around the country who are doing different levels and different types of regenerative systems. We started this organization to help identify the different projects going on around the country and bring them the resources to accelerate their projects so that we can get this movement going at a little higher clip. We put a lot of information to a lot of people that stumbled across our blog, and through our media that we put out there as well. But there's lots to talk about in this space.
Justine Reichman: There is. You mentioned that you provide resources to these folks that are doing this. So can you talk a little bit about that? What kind of resources are we talking about, because there's so many different kinds.
Ryan Slabaugh: It's one of the unique things that we've really identified is every hub or every research place, even a farm, the activity that is happening in the region of space has a different need. And so when we're in Washington state working with the Conservation District, their need is a track of education. So we're working with them to bring in the right scientists, teachers and farmers in the region who are already doing advanced biological systems to provide the information around cover cropping, soil health, crop resistance, pesticide resistance, weed resistance, those types of things that we can do. Naturally, in Arizona, we have a very talented farmer and rancher down there who's running an open flats ranch, but he's also very isolated in the desert in Arizona. So we're helping identify the right companies and researchers to help support their regenerative project there as well as build a food chain there that they can actually sell into in the Tucson Phoenix area. They've done so much work there. So it's really helping them just to find the little gaps that we can help fill there. We're also going to be producing an event on their farm later on this year. That's more that we'll be having some recommendations for how to do all this in the region.
Justine Reichman: I know, I appreciate that. So that the pendulum kind of swings in terms of the resources that you're providing. I'm curious, what is your expertise initially that you're able to provide all these different kinds of resources?
Ryan Slabaugh: I've got a funny little skill set, but I started my life as a newspaper editor. I worked in communities working as a community newspaper editor, in a lot of more environmentally sensitive areas. So that we were covering a lot of environmental issues. I got offered a job to run Acres USA in 2016, which was a soil health publishing an event company, and that was just connecting me with this wonderful network of just unbelievable early adopters of regenerative agriculture who really took me under their wing and taught me what this was about, the connections between soil health and human health, the connection between soil health and peace in the world. These were wildly ambitious thinkers who were waiting for the world to catch up with them. And that's really what's exciting about this regenerative movement is it's a mindset that these farmers or these early adopters have discovered because of their close attachment to the land that we see the whole world being able to learn from.
“Sometimes, when you're too far ahead, it's hard for people to see that vision with you. But people are catching up mostly through education.” —Justine Reichman
Justine Reichman: I couldn't agree more. I think that it's so amazing now to be able to have people catching up. Because sometimes when you're too far ahead, it's hard for people to see that vision with you. But people are catching up mostly, I think, through education. And so before we go further, I would love for you to explain in your mind what regenerative agriculture is, because that's what we're talking about in so many of these instances.
Ryan Slabaugh: The risk of defining it, it's really a mindset that early adopters and farmers have, and it's a love of life that I think a lot of people in the world don't even know is possible. And that we're translating into the food supply, how we look at our food, how we look at our farming, and how we look at our agriculture. It's a paradigm shift. I want to make sure that I underline that, that this is not a new law that needs to be passed. This is not a small change that we're looking at. This is a multi-generational mindset shift that is dependent upon us. Every farmer is gonna have different systems. They're gonna have different tactics that's going to be building our food supply, but we really want to set a vision and a wildly ambitious goal to go back to that term around a food supply that decreases cancer rates, that makes Alzheimer's very rare, we're diabetes starts to become eradicated in our society, where mental health issues and gut health issues are being taken care of naturally. There's a whole potential here that those who have been a part of this see that we can actually solve these problems. And we can actually do this. And that's what's really exciting about the Regenerative Movement. This is possible, and we're going to make this happen. It's going to take generations, but it really comes down to this mindset change of loving life, and doing everything we can to protect it.
“[Regenerative Agriculture] is a mindset that early adopters and farmers have, and it's a love of life that we're translating into the food supply, how we look at our food, how we look at our farming, and how we look at our agriculture. This is a multi-generational mindset shift that is dependent upon us.” —Ryan Slabaugh
Justine Reichman: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think a lot of it is changing the narrative for people, and the way that they think. Like you said, a mind shift. So if people change the way they're thinking and recognise the impact that food and soil has on their health, wellness and the environment, I think we're just one step closer to getting there. But I think that's the first step. And I think that's still a struggle. But I'm happy to say that I've spoken to a variety of people that are creating products and now doing clinical trials for these products to see, are they working, are they not working, that they can replace medicine. If we can live a healthier life, if we can eat healthier, we can just do as much as we can to prevent any illness. So I'm excited about that. We have a whole new series coming up, which is going to be investigating this and talking about the trials, trying to support the efficacy around the impact of food on our health and wellness. Because for me, similar to you, I want to create change, the way that people look at it from health institutions to the government. So that's a longer conversation. But I think that we're very aligned in the way that we're thinking. I don't think it's gonna happen overnight. But hopefully, we can see some change in our lifetime. I still have at least 50 years, right?
Ryan Slabaugh: Yeah. I think I can't remember John Kemp, who said this. I'm one of those guys on stage a couple of years ago, I was listening to him talk. He said, our ability to see this happen will be directly correlated to the clarity of the vision that we put out there. And so I think that's really where we're at in this movement overall is just making sure folks really have a clear vision of that. And I think the early adopters, and we're talking to folks who started this in the 60's and started carving this a long, long time ago. They got frustrated because it never really got into a paradigm shift when the organic movement happened. We got organic certification, and we got this happened. The disease rates still increase. The extraction from the industry still did not go to farmers, it went to the brands with the biggest marketing companies. I think that the fundamental opportunity we have with regenerative agriculture is to look at a lot of our history, and to look at a lot of the things that we've done and just make slight, slight changes in the site fixes that we can improve on and that will have massive, massive ripple effects.
“If people change the way they're thinking and recognize the impact that food and soil have on their health, wellness, and the environment, we're just one step closer to getting there.” —Justine Reichman
Justine Reichman: I think the more that we work to educate and inform people, the more people will demand and really require people to make that shift. But without education, without information, people don't know. And if you don't know, you can't ask or you can't demand that. So I think that education is really the key here.
Ryan Slabaugh: Yeah. Without getting too technical, we present two groups. We talk about the difference between linear math and nonlinear math as being a key fundamental and understanding what we're talking about. We add 1+1=2. You can run that equation a million different times, and you're gonna get the same answer, 1+1=2. That's not how nature works, and that's not how natural growing systems work. And so you actually have to run the scenario thousands of times and see thousands of different answers to be able to plot what's actually going to happen, and the reality of what's going to happen. And that's what nonlinear math is. And that's what we're asking our growers who are moving to regenerative systems is to get away from the N plus P plus K equals a crop and start thinking about a nonlinear system that they're building that actually regenerates itself. And that's where the regenerative term comes from is this ability for it to work without our inputs, and without our efforts, and that's a really hard thing to quantify. And it's a really hard thing to put on a spreadsheet, it's a really hard thing to map out and predict. But that's where that mindset comes in. It's so critical. It's just understanding that you can do the same thing 10 years in a row in your fields, and you will get 10. So different responses.
“The more that we work to educate and inform people, the more people will demand to make that shift. But without education, people don't know. And if you don't know, you can't ask or you can't demand that. Education is the key.” —Justine Reichman
Justine Reichman: Yeah, exactly. And my question to you is, as you're doing this, and as you're talking to people, are people open to learning about this and making the changes? What kind of challenges do you experience? What kind of responses are you getting?
Ryan Slabaugh: It's a good question. We're really careful not to go into an environment where people aren't ready to change or don't want to change. That's not really what we're there to do is to go in and tell people that they're doing things wrong, and they need to change. We're seeing just so much momentum, but people are already volunteering and saying, I need to explore different parts of the system for my farm. I need to look at things differently. I now have roundup resistant weeds, so that's not going to work anymore. What do I do now? Now I've got a new market that we can reach around regeneration. Now we've got some new education. I understand how cover crops work now, so how do I build this into the system? So that's a lot of the farmers and ranchers that we're working with are the people who have taken that first step already. They've said some real goals around that. We find that the pinch points come around glyphosate use, it's still a big conversation in this movement. How can we help those large scale growers take a step away from some of those products or use less of those products at the very least? There's a lot of nervousness around that. And so that's what we talk about mindset change. I'm not here to tell you, here's the exact product. There's a lot of wonderful agronomists out there that you can work with and do that. But there's (inaudible) an early adopter of biological farming who is just a great instructor out there. He has taught thousands, and thousands, and thousands of farmers. He's got a sign in his barn. It says, If you teach a farmer the WHY, they'll figure out the HOW. And that was life changing when I walked in this barn and saw that, and that was really the light bulb that went off to Think Regeneration going, you know what? The soil health experts, they're doing such a wonderful job of taking care of farmers and ranchers, helping them connect with the agronomy they need. We need more of them. Don't get me wrong, but you can never really be trusted if you don't have the why behind it.
Justine Reichman: Yeah. I also think that you can take the horse to water, but you can't make them do it. I think it's along those same lines. You need people to be curious.
Ryan Slabaugh: We've surveyed some farmers and ranchers about what's keeping them from adopting these practices. They're real human relationship issues. Some of it is economics. Don't get me wrong, but some of it is my landlord, and I don't know how to have that conversation. I'm not sure how to actually approach the bank and get a loan for that specific tool, or I don't have a command of this system well enough to actually speak to it and advocate for it. That's a lot where a lot of folks are in this world, and so that's where a lot of what we do is get them together. And we just share that information with them and say, this is why you as you as a family farmer feel so much negative economic pressure. There's real reasons for that, that's not made up or imaginary. There's economic policy. There's markets that are close to them. There's actual real intent to get less farmers in this country. It has been for 60 years. So when we present them with that ability to just understand them. They go, oh, that's why there's a real freedom and liberation that comes from that experience of having somebody from the outside go, this is why it's so hard. That's really what we're here for, to help farmers and ranchers, anybody who grows food, anybody who takes care of the land. I got all the respect in the world.
“Abundance is the underlying goal, not scarcity.” —Ryan Slabaugh
So we're just here to help everybody who wants to move in this direction. Have the softest landing ever, and understand that there is a growing network of people who are willing to help them. That's one of the things that I just absolutely think is essential to this industry is the fact that abundance is the underlying goal, not scarcity. And we talked about education, we're talking about information, we're talking about best practice sharing. So I've never met a regenerative farmer with this mindset that if you've asked him, show me everything you do, including your books. I said, absolutely, I will do that. And that's the trust I want to give to the folks. If you're listening and going, is this a community I want to work with? It's a community where what you find will take good care of you.
Justine Reichman: Yeah, I think so. I'm curious about those farmers that maybe are not ready to participate in this, what do you find when you're talking to them? What are some of their biggest concerns or issues around changing the conversation for themselves to be able to embrace this as the next steps for a better future?
Ryan Slabaugh: It's scary thinking about losing your subsidy program. When you've had a guarantee coming from the government to say, if you grow X, Y, or Z, and you do it, will give you a check no matter what happens and help protect you, that's a really good business model to have that support there. So to go to them and go, let's do something different is fundamentally a real challenge. Because they're gonna go, wait, I've got all the security wrapped up in these systems, and you're telling me that I have to do something different. And I think that's really what we tried so that we try to show them the economics. Okay, what if we told you that you could spend a million dollars less on fertilizer? And we've got people in this industry doing that, that gets their attention. And we talked about the carbon markets. Carbon markets are a dangerous conversation at some point, because a lot of folks are thinking that's the end destination. As soon as I get my carbon credit, I've done a regenerative system. That's not exactly it. But it is helping bring people into this movement to say, what are they talking about? How can I purchase this? And the carbon markets are depending on tactics that work in regenerative systems like cover cropping, livestock integration, some of these other common practices that we see happening. So it's all good. It's just a matter of making sure that we don't stop too soon at the work to be done.
Justine Reichman: Yeah. I can see the challenge that some folks might have adopting this, because that's scary when you're getting that. People need a paycheck, they want to make sure that they can afford to do this.
“Some of these other common [regenrative] practices that we see happening are all good. It's just a matter of making sure that we don't stop too soon. There’s work to be done.” —Ryan Slabaugh
Ryan Slabaugh: I would advocate for a trillion dollar moonshot for our food supply where we are giving farmers and ranchers 10 year forgivable loans,to move their systems into natural ecosystems and prove that they are storing carbon, and prove that they're creating nutritious food that is going into the food supply and feeding us. And if they can do that, they get the money in the capital and security to change our systems, move in this direction, and have a healthier farm ecosystem. I know a lot of people that I run that ascribe to that idea. They're like, absolutely. I'd be all in.
Justine Reichman: Are you working on this now?
Ryan Slabaugh: Well, that's why we do these types of conversations and get on these podcasts to help plant the seeds out. And if there's others that think it's a good idea, reach out to me, send me a note, how do we build these kinds of concepts? There's groups like Land Trust that are working on these types of bills in DC to really help incentivize. These programs are going on, and I like about the Land Trust as they require Republican and a Democrat to cosign on everything they do. It's really a bipartisan effort to get these programs off the ground.
Justine Reichman: Well, where are you in this? Have you started to make waves there, or are you trying to make inroads there yet to change this and create that opportunity?
Ryan Slabaugh: I think we got to build the case. Then we got to create this vision. I think we're creating the vision first before we go to policy. I think that's really what we're working on right now is through our think tanks, and through our discussions, and through the events that we'll be having in 9 or 10 different states. This year, we'll be working with groups of farmers and ranchers looking at, we'll be doing some introspection, making sure everybody understands why they're doing this. But then we will be pivoting to what problems we need to solve collectively, and we look at climate change as a good example of where early on we understood something was happening in the environment, and something was happening with warming Earth in regions. When one scientist was on stage, it was easy to ignore. I was in the media at the time, and we actually had to go cover it where we interviewed the scientists that says, climate change is real. And we had to go find a climate change denier to be fair and balanced. And until we had 99% of all scientists get together organized and say that these are the fundamental truths that we believe in that are happening and this research behind it, that changed the game for us in the media. We're also going to reposition the science behind the statements, if that makes sense, and help educate us at the explainer level of what we were talking about overall. And so that's really, I think where we are in that. We're still creating that collective vision and getting everybody to kind of buy into this.
Again, I'm not talking about ever doing cover crops or any specific tactic. But really, this vision that we can create a healthier food supply. And there's a real way to do this. I think if we can get that vision out there and show the models that are out there already are working, and talk about how we connect these models, then a policy is going to appear around that. And I think farmers and ranchers have propped up this companies or country's economy for so long, and it's time that we pay him back a little bit.
Justine Reichman: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. To give them the opportunity to do things in a better way without giving up security, without being scared that they're not able to feed their families, or pay bills, etcetera. Because it's really not just for them. It's for everyone. They're changing this paradigm, making this paradigm shift so that the rest of the world can be part of this healthier way to eat, live and be both for themselves and for the planet. So I think it would behoove everyone to be able to support something like this, I'm really excited to hear that you're making your case, or that you're working to make your case towards there. Because I think we need to start somewhere. And building that foundation is integral. Otherwise, you go there with half of what you need. And you really only get one shot to do something right the first time. So what was the impetus for starting Think Regeneration after being in the media for so long?
Ryan Slabaugh: Well, that answer might have answered itself that question. In the media, so love you. It's a wonderful industry to be in, but it is challenging. Covering it is different than participating in it. When I've really worked with the farmers, the ranchers, there's something just deep inside me that says, I really want to take that next step and move behind the desk and get my hands dirty. And so that's really what I spent a couple of years thinking about and talking to some trusted individuals about. And I think that's the space that I saw, needed to be filled as people that can help bring resources. Farmers and ranchers are so busy. They've got so many diverse skill sets. They already have to be so good at that. We can't really ask them to do a whole lot more like go ask, go get grants from the USDA. Learn how to become a soil scientist while you're doing all these other things. So we have the ability to bring those resources in. I just saw that opportunity when I was with Acres, and the Acres community is just wonderful. And Acres as a company is just wonderful. They were very supportive of me just saying, hey, I'm gonna go work for myself and figure out what we can do to propel this movement and take a leap.
Justine Reichman: Was that the moment, I guess, that you decided that this was really your passion, and where you saw your future.
Ryan Slabaugh: There was a real moment. I was at an investment event as part of Acres USA, which was a regenerative investment event, and I was there with a group of farmers and ranchers. We heard a lot of the national brands and investment companies on stage talking about how much money they were going to make off regenerative agriculture. And the farmers and ranchers who are sitting with are some of the early adopters who were the only people in the room, six or seven years ago talking about this. And they got relegated to the back of the room, and they left pretty upset and angry. That was the moment that I decided to start Think Regeneration. That was the moment that I knew that these folks fundamentally needed the support to lead this movement. They're the best to lead this movement, they have to lead this movement. And we've got to make sure that they don't lose their place. We'll see if we get it done. But it is about collaboration, not conflict. But we do want to work more with those big brands, we just want to make sure that they understand how talented and smart these farmers are, and ranchers are, and how much they can help them.
“[Farmers and ranchers] fundamentally need the support to lead this movement. They're the best to lead this movement, they HAVE to lead this movement. And we've got to make sure that they don't lose their place.” —Ryan Slabaugh
Justine Reichman: I think that in the past, many times, people were trying to do the best that they could get, the best deal that they could. Everything was about, what is the cheapest way to do things? And I think there's a paradigm shift even in people demanding the right pay and feeling like we want to be compensated appropriately. Everybody's in a different budget category. You have a start up and add a new business. But I think people do want to collaborate. They do want to pay for the better ways to do things. And I think that because of the shift, and I don't know if it's pre versus post COVID, the pandemic or whatever. But I just see on a variety of levels where that has changed for people.
Ryan Slabaugh: I think COVID had something to do with it. We certainly saw the food supply get disrupted. We certainly saw that grocery store shelves get empty. It was certainly resilience. It was certainly not the term that I would describe our country, so we got exposed a little bit right when that hit. And so I think that's really, we can talk about this movement through a national sovereignty and security lens. We can talk about owning our food supply, making sure that we have enough food for all of our citizens at all times, and that we have abundance, again, as the goal or food supply, not scarcity. It may seem challenging to the traditional capitalist mindset. I'm not saying what's up in capitalism, but we can attach good values to capitalism.
Justine Reichman: Our tagline is eating right as a human right.
Ryan Slabaugh: I love it. It feels fundamental. I'd say, it's not even just a human right. It's an all living thing right. Wildlife deserves to eat well too.
Justine Reichman: Totally agree. So as you're moving forward on this, and you're providing resources to all these farmers and ranchers, and you're still new, what do you see? I know you have big plans to help create a foundation so that you can help change policy, etcetera. But what do you see happening in the next few years? What do you perceive as some of the biggest challenges you're going to experience that you need to overcome in order to reach those goals?
Ryan Slabaugh: We're lucky that we've had really strong early support as an organization and have been able to get five programs off the ground. And in six months, we don't probably see us expanding too much beyond that because of our current funding and finance level ultimately, and program support. So as we get more funding and programs, our goal is to really have a project in every county in the long run in the United States. We really fundamentally believe that every county needs to have a regenerative farm education hub, a regenerative farm practice center regenerative farm. Maybe conservation districts in certain pockets of the country are already doing this. That's a long way away from what we can accomplish now. And that's what we're asking you is, when we fundraise, and when we go out and talk to investor groups to say, if you're really interested in supporting these, we have all the access and ability to participate in this movement. And we would just love it if anybody's interested to reach out to me and we'll figure out a way it might be helping us. It might be helping others in the industry. There are so many folks on the ground doing this, taking on the risk, and taking on the financial risk. We do need philanthropic support to make this movement happen. So that's our biggest concern right now is long term sustainability.
Justine Reichman: Given that, how would folks reach out to you if they wanted to discuss this with you, or support you, or learn more?
Ryan Slabaugh: Well, I appreciate that. You got to thinkregeneration.com And our website, we have contact us page and contact me through that page. I give everyone my cell phone, 970-389-5218. Call me. Again, abundance is the idea. Let's connect, let's figure out how we can help each other.
“Our biggest concern right now is long-term sustainability.” —Ryan Slabaugh
Justine Reichman: I love what you're doing, your mission, your overall agenda. I say the agenda in a positive way. We're here to support in any way we can.
Ryan Slabaugh: I really appreciate the chance to reach your audience. We had some friends on this podcast before, so we're really honored to have the chance.
Justine Reichman: Awesome. Well, thanks so much for joining me today. So for those folks that joined in today, thanks again for tuning in. And if you guys have any social activities they could follow just to keep up on what's going on?
Ryan Slabaugh: Yes, you can. LinkedIn is our most active channel. If you're on LinkedIn, go ahead. Go find Think Regeneration there. We're also on Facebook and Twitter. We'll be starting an Instagram channel at some point this year. So we're still growing into our channels at this point. We also have a newsletter that we send out every Tuesday. You can sign up on our website and get an email that just explains something about our programs. And we also do regular research reports to share the new research and information with leaders, like yourself, who are listening.
Justine Reichman: Awesome. Well, thanks so much, again, for joining us. And we will talk soon about how things progress and we'll bring it back so that we can continue this conversation.
Ryan Slabaugh: That would be amazing.
Justine Reichman: Awesome.
