S9 Ep33: Glow Up Guaranteed: The Chemist-Approved Skincare Routine with Ron Robinson
“Every brand now needs to be an educator as well as a seller.” —Ron Robinson
Clean Beauty Series
“Every brand now needs to be an educator as well as a seller.” —Ron Robinson
The beauty industry is undergoing a transformative shift, with consumers demanding more than just surface-level solutions. From the rise of the "skinification" trend to the ongoing debate around clean beauty, the landscape is evolving rapidly. Brands must now navigate the delicate balance between safety, efficacy, and sustainability to captivate their audience.
Ron Robinson is a veteran cosmetic chemist with an impressive track record, having developed products for renowned brands like Clinique, Lauder, and L'Oréal. His expertise and passion for unlocking the potential of gold-standard ingredients have led him to found his own brand, Beauty Stat.
Tune in as Justine and Ron explore the rise of skinification in beauty products, misconceptions around natural vs synthetic ingredients, the need for brands to incorporate consumer education, Ron’s expert recommendations and tips for essential skincare products, upcoming trends in the beauty industry, the importance of sustainability, the challenges around recycling and waste management in the beauty industry, and more.
Connect with Ron:
Veteran cosmetic chemist Ron Robinson founded BeautyStat blog in 2009, demystifying skincare ingredients with a factual, chemist-based approach. After years of research, he developed a technology to formulate pure Vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) at its optimal 20% concentration, protected from oxidation.
Episode Highlights:
01:17 The Skinification of Beauty Products
05:00 Clean Beauty and Consumer Concerns
13:19 Consumer Education and Product Transparency
17:21 Skincare Tips
26:52 Beauty and the Planet
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Inspirational Quotes:
03:04 “There's been a real shift in that many companies are now making more skin care versus the makeup.” —Justine Reichman
03:57 “As you're feeding the skin with nutrients, it's bringing it to make it look its best version of itself.” —Justine Reichman
04:12 “Healthy skin means more glowing, more radiant skin.” —Ron Robinson
06:13 “For the consumer, the most important thing is to deliver products that are both safe and effective.” —Ron Robinson
08:19 “The thought is that if you can adjust them and they're healthy to ingest, applying them topically might deliver some benefits— it's NOT always the case.” —Ron Robinson
10:55 “Consumers are more cost conscious. They're watching their wallets, and every everything they spend has got to make a difference, otherwise it becomes a waste.” —Ron Robinson
12:44 “Everything is a chemical. Air is a chemical, water is a chemical, and so we need chemicals. We can't exist without them.” —Ron Robinson
20:19 “With moisturizer, you want to make sure that it's not too light… and not too heavy and greasy. The texture matters.” —Ron Robinson
23:13 “We need to either ask for education or be educated so that we can make more informed choices.” —Justine Reichman
24:06 “Every brand now needs to be an educator as well as a seller.” —Ron Robinson
28:26 “It's a big job. We have to keep fighting the good fight, and do as best as we can with the materials that we have and push everyone to help us be more sustainable.” —Ron Robinson
29:31 “Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's necessarily good for them. Do your research, test, trial, sample, and find the best products within those guidelines of cleanse, moisturize, protect your skin.” —Ron Robinson
Transcription:
Justine Reichman: Good morning, and welcome to Essential Ingredients. I want to introduce you to you today, Ron. He is a Beauty Chemist, and I'm so excited to have them on the podcast as part of the Beauty Series.
To hear more about what they say is, clean beauty and what we can see for the future, and what role nature and food will play in this, so stay tuned. So thanks for joining me today, Ron. I'm really excited to learn more about your brand and what you're doing. So for those that are not familiar with your brand, could you just give us the high level, and then we'll dig deeper into it.
Ron Robinson: Absolutely. So I am a veteran cosmetic chemist. I've developed products for many big brands, including Clinique, Estée Lauder, La Mer, Revlon, L'Oreal, and launched my own brand called BeautyStat five years ago with the mission of unlocking the potential of gold standard ingredients. We are prestige cosmetic chemist founded, clinically tested science backed brand. We are known for our Vitamin C Serum That's our best seller. And our innovation around that ingredient is stabilizing this well known ingredient that is known to be unstable, which means it tends to oxidize and turn brown, and no longer deliver results for consumers.
Justine Reichman: So yeah, that vitamin C. When you put it in your hand, and all of a sudden, it turns color, like it's making your face a little bit more orange. Have you ever had that experience?
Ron Robinson: Yeah. That's from using a vitamin C serum that's oxidized. Meaning, it's started to shift. Just think about an Apple as it starts to turn brown, that's oxidation. And when that happens, that means it's no longer desirable. It's no longer going to deliver any nutritional benefits or health benefits. And the same thing with vitamin C. When you apply it to skin, you want the vitamin C serum that stays stable and delivers results for your skin, specifically around brightening the skin and evening out skin tone.
Justine Reichman: We could all use that, at least I could.
Ron Robinson: And this is the product right here. This is our best selling Vitamin C Serum. It's our BeautyStat Universal C Skin Refiner, and it contains 20% vitamin C, which is working to help fade hyperpigmentation, even the skin tone, and brighten the skin.
Justine Reichman: I've been searching for the right one for so long. I can tell you that I have hyperpigmentation here, a little here. I mean, not that I really want to point it out on a video.
Ron Robinson: Your skin looks great, don't worry.
“There's been a real shift in that many companies are now making more skin care versus the makeup.” —Justine Reichman
Justine Reichman: But that being said, I've tried so many things, and I think it's finally getting better over time. But it's been years since I wore very little stuff to cover up. But anyway, that goes back to the ingredients of the products that we're using, and so I really have focused what I have on skin care products versus makeup, and I think there's been a real shift in that too. For many parties, they're now making more skin care versus the makeup that you just apply, but it's not doing anything for the skin in the same way.
Ron Robinson: Justine, it's such a big trend right now. We call it the skinification of beauty products, which means bringing skincare benefits to products that don't typically work to help treat the skin. So yes, you're right. Foundation, lipstick, lip gloss, blush, all of these products are now bringing in skincare benefits to help treat the skin, as well as give skin that instant color, which we expect from makeup products.
Justine Reichman: Exactly. You expect to be a little brighter, a little sunnier, a little bit not so. I mean, for me, I can tell the difference, and I just feel like a lot of it is giving moisture to the skin. Correct me if I'm wrong, it's feeding the skin with the nutrients it's bringing it to make it look its best version of itself.
“As you're feeding the skin with nutrients, it's bringing it to make it look its best version of itself.”—Justine Reichman
Ron Robinson: Correct. With these skin care benefits, it's working to help hydrate the skin, repair skin's barrier. And when you have healthy skin, healthy skin means more glowing, more radiant skin.
Justine Reichman: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. So I'm curious. There's been a lot of talk around clean beauty, and a lot of talk about what we put on our face. Shouldn't we care as much as the things that we eat? And then there's been some controversy about that. It doesn't really get into the bloodstream, and maybe we should look at biotech. So I'd love to explore this conversation with you and get your thoughts on it. Where do you see the future of beauty? And what role if any food is playing in that? Or do you think that was a moment in time, and now we're fast forward to biotech? So let's start where you guys are at this moment, what can we see on the horizon for you? And how does that connect with that?
Ron Robinson: A couple things to talk about. So you mentioned clean and clean beauty. So there's no definition for cleanliness. There's no established standard for what clean is. So some retailers have their own definition. And what that means is they decide there are ingredients that might be known to be harmful to the skin, or unsafe for the skin, or irritate the skin, and they've isolated those ingredients and said, okay, if your product contains those ingredients, you are not deemed clean for us. And you do not get that clean--
Justine Reichman: Stamp of approval.
“For the consumer, the most important thing is to deliver products that are both safe and effective.” —Ron Robinson
Ron Robinson: Correct. You don't get that clean stamp of approval. But every retailer is different. So our approach, BeautyStats approach, is to only use ingredients that are both safe for the skin and effective. So we do comply with the various retailer clean standards. And when I say retailers, I'm talking about the beauty retailers like Sephora, or Ulta Beauty, or Target. These are some retailers that have their own definitions of clean, so we abide and comply with all of those various standards. But for the consumer, again, the most important thing is to deliver products that are both safe and effective, and not try to necessarily demonize ingredients. You mentioned ingredients that might be harmful, might get into the bloodstream. Some of those ingredients which are deemed not to be clean, there has been some data showing that there is some penetration, but the data does not necessarily prove out that they are specifically dangerous in the long term. Our bodies are meant to withstand things that we encounter in nature and in everyday life. Some things do get into the skin, and then some things our body is able to handle and defend itself. And it's all about context and the amount, trace amounts can be totally safe. It's over exposure, which does not really happen. So for most consumers, we're all dealing or working with relatively safe products, and there's no big concern from any specific products being dangerous in most cases. So I think we're playing in a very good for you healthy category. And again, our brain beauty set is about promoting safe and effective products.
Justine Reichman: When you guys were developing your vitamin C, or for that fact, developing anything, what role did food play in it? Because we've heard a lot of conversation around this. And when I say food, it could be herbs, it could be anything. I don't know that it necessarily correlates to vitamin C per se, but the idea is all these organic ingredients around us, what role do they play, whether it's in this or in the future, for you, in production of new products?
“The thought is that if you can adjust them and they're healthy to ingest, applying them topically might deliver some benefits— it's NOT always the case.” —Ron Robinson
Ron Robinson: The whole food, or food derived, natural derived products, all in the category of natural and capitalizing on the fact that consumers recognize certain types of foods as being healthy and good for them. And the thought is that if you could ingest them and they're healthy to ingest, applying them topically might deliver some benefits. It's not always the case. Sometimes, it does work out. For example, we use green tea, the most effective or most potent part of green tea, which is known as a very healthy beverage in the food space, and we leverage that because there's proven results that the active part of green tea can be very effective for soothing the skin, providing anti inflammatory benefits. So that's one type of food, type of ingredient that we leverage. But again, it's not for marketing purposes. Meaning, we're not talking to it because we're trying to get consumers to feel that we are. Healthy food means healthy ingredients for the skin. It's proven. It's proven to deliver results for the skin, and that's why we use ingredients like that.
Justine Reichman: I really appreciate that. Because so often, people are talking about clean beauty, and we go to stores like Frida where they're supposed to have all these clean products. But one thing for me is, it's great if it's clean, but does it work? Is it effective? And so I'm curious about that connection there, what we're seeing, and what you see for the future?
Ron Robinson: Yeah. As I mentioned before, the consumer is really concerned with safe products, and using safe and effective products. That's a key thing. So I think this whole movement around clean, it's not going to have a lot of legs because many brands and products already conform to what's considered to be clean by these specific retailers. Or even some of these apps that try to help consumers understand what's clean and what's not. So that's a key thing, products that are safe and effective.
Justine Reichman: I couldn't agree more. And I think that there's a lot of miscommunication or changing the narrative around it. People are trying to promote clean beauty, but people aren't asking, is it clean and effective? They're not going on that. And to me, I think we're missing out by not asking that. Because I think there's a lot of technology, whether biotech, et cetera, that really is going to play a role in this. And I think that people are scared of things that they don't know, and then the questions that are being answered really need to be a bit more extensive and curious about what we really want. And at the end of the day, when I put things on my face, I want results.
“Consumers are more cost conscious. They're watching their wallets, and every everything they spend has got to make a difference, otherwise it becomes a waste.” —Ron Robinson
Ron Robinson: Exactly. Consumers are more cost conscious. They're watching their pocket, their wallets and everything they spend. It's got to make a difference. Otherwise, it becomes a waste. And no one has time for waste, so I totally agree. The consumer wants results. They want safety as well, but they want results. I do want to touch on your question about biotech and how that comes into play. Biotech is a great space. It's a growing space. And what that means is that we could find or leverage things, ingredients that occur naturally. And rather than deplete the resources from our Earth, harvest and use up those types of natural materials, we use biotech to recreate them in the lab at scale. So basically, we're taking the best of nature and scaling it in a laboratory setting so that it is completely sustainable. Yet, it has its roots in nature, and could be something that could really obviously deliver results for the skin, but also could be recognizable by consumers.
Justine Reichman: I think that a lot of this is going to rely on education, to educate the consumer about this so they can better understand and make more informed choices. What do you think the most misconceived idea that they have, that the community has, or buyers have around natural products is?
“Everything is a chemical. Air is a chemical, water is a chemical, and so we need chemicals. We can't exist without them.” —Ron Robinson
Ron Robinson: I think there's some folks that feel that natural is better and that synthetic is bad, and that's a really big piece of misinformation. On my social media channels, I try to educate, myth bust and explain, first of all, everything is a chemical. Air is a chemical, water is a chemical, and so we need chemicals. We can't exist without them. And some chemicals are naturally derived, and some are synthetic. There are some natural products and ingredients which are toxic, and too much of them could hurt us. And the same thing with synthetic. So really, the best products use both, natural and synthetic. They blend and compose them in a way to deliver great aesthetics. And again, as we talked about products that work, deliver results and perform.
Justine Reichman: When folks go into a store, whether it's Sephora or wherever to go buy products, what are some of the things that they should be mindful of to stay away from?
Ron Robinson: If you're shopping in those stores, the vetting has already happened. You're getting products that have been tested, deemed safe. In most cases, clean, whatever that word means. And I think where the consumer can really dig deeper and peel back the onion a little bit more is whether or not that product is transparent about ingredients they use? What percentages, sometimes that matters. But also any clinical testing or third party testing to show that that product delivers results. So that's where the consumer needs to come in and do some research.
Justine Reichman: So if we're looking at these larger products that we see in Sephora, some of them are, like you said, you could have Clinique, you could have George Armani, you could have products like Dr Brandt, and we're looking at them. How do you compare the research and trials that have been done by a doctor versus a regular brand that maybe is not supported by a doctor or not derived by a doctor?
Ron Robinson: Yes, so it's a great question. Many consumers are looking for expert perspectives, and some brands are founded and are branded as an expert brand. We talked about some other brands like Dr. Dennis Gross, where it's a dermatologist founded brand. I'm a cosmetic chemist. I'm another type of expert. My expertise is in formulating and developing products for the skin, and they have other brand founders and other brands that do not have any type of expert founder. And I think we can all play with the understanding that consumers want the results and validation. So any brand, whether Doctor LED or not can do testing, third party testing, to show that their product delivers and can meet the needs of consumers.
Justine Reichman: Yeah. It's a really interesting topic. Because many times, people talk about the brands that you see on the shelves and the access, and then you go to the doctors and they're like, well, we don't have those on the shelves yet. You have to buy those here. And so as the consumer, what do we do? To me, the doctor's the expert as I'm standing there in the office. That's only because I don't know better, potentially.
Ron Robinson: You're there in the office and you've had a treatment, and you're more likely to listen to the expert after you get out. Get out of the chair and you had just your treatment. Hey, what do I do to maintain or achieve this? Yes, you have that, that captive audience. If you're shopping around in a retailer environment, you don't have that assistance as you would. So the onus is on the customer to go in and have done some research, or doing research while shopping to find the right product for their skin.
Justine Reichman: So as a chemist, I'm sure there's things that you might tell people to stay away from. Can you maybe share a few of those things that people may be misunderstood and thought were good, but maybe really should take a second look at and look a little further?
Ron Robinson: Yeah. When I think about recommending types of products consumers should be bringing into their routine, introducing them into the routine sticks with the basics. Thinking about a good, gentle cleanser, a moisturizer and a sunscreen. Those are three things that most consumers need to maintain healthy skin. So that's my advice. You don't need to go chasing the latest anti wrinkle or spot treatment unless that's a specific concern that you have, right? So after you've done those first three things, cleanse, moisturize, protect your skin with sunscreen, and you have other concerns that are more specialized, more advanced, then you could seek out, hey, do I need a product to help smooth my skin texture. Do I need a product that's going to even out my skin tone? Do I need a product that's going to lift and firm, or reduce my fine lines and wrinkles? And then you can go into those specials. But basics first, avoid the other types of specialist items unless that's a specific concern you are looking to address.
Justine Reichman: When we're going in there and we're doing our research, whether beforehand or at the shop, and we're looking for those three products, I'm wondering, as a chemist, and we think about ingredients and we want products to be transparent, are there things that we should be aware of that maybe we shouldn't get? When I go to buy my oat milk, I try to find one that doesn't have any gum in it. Water and a pinch of Himalayan pink. People, I want clean ingredients. So as that relates to the products that we're talking about here, what could you tell us to look for to avoid, and also to make sure it does include because it's really helpful, for sure.
Ron Robinson: Go one by one. Cleansing, you want to look for sulfate free cleansers. What cleansers do is they work to help dissolve dirt, oil, makeup, debris. And in order to remove all of that stuff, you need to have or include what's called a surfactant, which is a cleansing ingredient. Some cleansing ingredients could be too aggressive and strip the skin. So sulfates are one thing to look out for. You don't need that in your facial cleanser. Look for a gentle cleanser that has more coconut based cleansing ingredients that will gently cleanse your skin effectively.
Justine Reichman: Before we go on to the next one, I have a question, though. If a cleanser and it says clean, can we expect that it doesn't have a sulfate in it, or does that not play a role, do we still need to dig deeper?
Ron Robinson: Sulfates are a suspect ingredient, and most clean standards do not include sulfates. So that would be a NO. So that would be a case where the clean guidelines for most of these retailers might be a good fit. Meaning that it's likely going to be a more of a gentle cleanser because it doesn't contain that type of ingredient. So that's one great example. Moving into moisturizer, that's your second step. Moisturization is key because it's going to help repair your barrier, soften your skin, and just rebuild and maintain healthy skin. You want to look for ingredients like glycerin. And look for other hydrating ingredients like hyaluronic acid or ceramides. These are the key things you can look for in a really good facial moisturizer.
Justine Reichman: Is there anything that we should be aware of that might pop out that's not good, that we should pass over and move on to the next?
“With moisturizer, you want to make sure that it's not too light… and not too heavy and greasy. The texture matters.” —Ron Robinson
Ron Robinson: Moisturizer, you want to make sure that it's not too light. In other words, it won't do the job of actually hydrating your skin or not being too heavy and greasy. So the texture matters, and it's very personal. Those are the key things to look at.
Justine Reichman: Rich one that looks dewy.
Ron Robinson: So yeah. And some people like more of a gel, cream and lighter, so it's really preference based. So you got to shop around, sample and try.
Justine Reichman: But at least we have tips on what direction to go. So the third one that you were talking about, we had the cleanser, we had the moisturizer. And third, we had sunscreen.
Ron Robinson: Sunscreen. Yeah, so things to look out for. Look for sunscreen with a minimum of SPF 30 broad spectrum protection experts agree an SPF 30 at the minimum is going to protect your skin from most of the UV damage that's possible through exposure to UV sun light, etcetera. So look for a minimum of 30, and there are two types of sunscreens. They're chemical sunscreens, which are synthetics, and they work to mostly absorb UV light and prevent it from going and penetrating the skin, and causing damage. And then there are mineral sunscreens. These are natural based sunscreens. Zinc oxide is very common, as well as titanium dioxide. They're known for, if you ever see lifeguards with the white on over their nose, those are classic zinc oxide or titanium dioxide products. So you don't want to necessarily walk around with a white cast on your face. So sunscreen, mineral sunscreens, have evolved. They've improved. So they're more sheer, and you can get a great SPF 30 minimal sunscreen that is sheer and looks great on the skin. So two options, chemical sunscreens and mineral sunscreens. You want a minimum of SPF 30.
Justine Reichman: Okay. I gotta ask. So as you say chemical, chemical sounds scary. The average person hears that word, they're like, oh, we don't want chemicals. So talk to me about that. Should we be scared of that? Is it a bad thing?
Ron Robinson: It's not a bad thing. And as we talked about everything as a chemical, and it's more of how we classify chemicals, I think the reason why the term chemical sunscreen was coined was to differentiate it from the mineral or natural sunscreens like titanium dioxide and zinc oxide. So it's not that one is bad, the other is good. It's just a way to classify them so consumers can understand that every ingredient is a chemical, and each of these buckets do a great job for protecting the skin from UV damage.
“We need to either ask for education or be educated so that we can make more informed choices.” —Justine Reichman
Justine Reichman: It sounds to me that the beauty industry is doing a really good job of bringing us products that are safe and effective. And I think it's really now on the onus for both the brands and the consumers, because we need to either ask for education or be educated so that we can make more informed choices.
Ron Robinson: Absolutely. And I think the brands that are winning today are being transparent. They're educating consumers, and they're creating products that are really delivering results, which is the key thing as we agreed. At the end of the day, I want to buy a product that's going to show results, deliver results for me.
Justine Reichman: And so as we look at the future, because we're always hoping that things are going to improve. What do you see for the beauty industry? What do you see spearheading that, whether it's natural products, or is it the biotech or something completely different?
Ron Robinson: I see a few big trends in the industry coming up. First of all, this idea about ingredient information, providing more information to consumers will continue. I think every brand now needs to be an educator, as well as a seller. So I think that trend will continue. We talked about the connection with health. I think consumers, more than ever, are understanding the idea about inflammation. And we have people in the new administration that are really going after what's potentially inflammatory types of processed foods and seed oils, and consumers are recognizing that they should be considerate of being or using anti inflammatory skincare as well, knowing that they don't want the bloating, the puffiness and irritation that can happen with not treating your skin by providing anti inflammatory benefits. We're in an era of Ozempic where consumers might be losing rapid weight loss and seeing changes in their facial skin, which might require skin care to help lift firm and tone. So I think those are some of the things that we'll be looking out for. We can't forget Gen Alpha with a new crop of consumers that are in that 10 to 16 years old range which are getting into skincare, and might be using products that are too grown up for them and not right for their skin. So that's another movement we have to watch and look for products that are going to be more catered for that gentle pre adolescent skin. So those are some of the big macro trends we see going forward. I think many brands will be, again, either having products or launching products to address those needs. Ar again, doubling down on the education of why ingredients and products that they sell, why they're important? Why are they relevant? ANd how they could benefit consumers?
Justine Reichman: I think that that's so true. And I think that young generation, really, it's about educating them too. Because they're so young and they're so impressionable, and they always want to do what mommy's doing. That may not be appropriate for them, so I think it's really about giving them their own place in the space to work with. The last piece that I want to touch on is the planet. In terms of the products that we're creating and you're creating, clearly, I'm not creating anything in terms of a product. But as you create a product, you're thinking about what's going into it, and you're thinking about the packaging and then disposal of this. What role does sustainability play in it for you? Because that's going to impact the health, the wellness and the future of the planet.
Ron Robinson: It's a big question, a big concern. Many brands, big and small, are focusing on this. And the thing is, our suppliers, those people, those companies that we go to get our packaging and componentry, they are coming forward as well. I think the bigger question is, how does our city, state, region, country help to recycle and make sure that if we use highly sustainable packaging that it actually gets treated as such, and just doesn't get dumped with everything else? So that's the key. That's a bigger question, the beauty industry is looking at this as it's more than just us. We're doing our part. We're really trying to use more sustainable and recyclable materials in our products and packaging. But we need help from, again, every municipality, city, state, etcetera, county.
Justine Reichman: And to that point, I know where we live, where we recycle, they have very strict guidelines. So even if something comes in a recycled thing, they only accept a small percentage of it to be recycled, so I think there really does need to be some conversation between these municipalities and the suppliers so that we can come up with something that's uniform. Because otherwise, there's a lot of, dare I say greenwashing going around this, because it's not really something that we can even recycle or upcycle.It doesn't meet those guidelines for the specific area.
Ron Robinson: I totally agree. So it's a big job. We have to keep fighting the good fight. And again, doing as best as we can with the materials that we have, and pushing everyone to help us be more sustainable.
Justine Reichman: Awesome. Ron, thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it.
Ron Robinson: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
Justine Reichman: My pleasure. We look forward to continuing to see what you guys are doing, and how things evolve, and what role if any food plays in this, and how nature evolves. Because I'm curious to see since nature is out there, and everybody's saying that everything's natural. But then, we're not showing the efficacy of it, or the impact of it. What is this going to end up looking like? And are we going to end up being a lot more comfortable with things right now that seem scary, but really could be a whole lot more useful?
“Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's necessarily good for them. Do your research, test, trial, sample, and find the best products within those guidelines of cleanse, moisturize, protect your skin.” —Ron Robinson
Ron Robinson: I think we're going to end up in a place where consumers become more informed. They are more educated. Understanding. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's necessarily good for them. They'll understand nuance. They'll understand that level and concentration matters, and it's a balance. And again, it's up to them. Do your research, test, trial sample, and find the best products for them within those guidelines of, again, cleanse, moisturize, and protect your skin.
Justine Reichman: Awesome. Ron, thanks so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it.
Ron Robinson: Likewise. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Justine Reichman: And for folks that want to learn more about what you do or learn more about your product, what's the best way to connect or learn more?
Ron Robinson: Follow my brand at BeautyStat on all social media, and you can follow me where you can hear all of my educational content and videos at Ron Robinson Cosmetic Chemist.
Justine Reichman: Awesome. Thanks again. I want to thank our guests for tuning in today. They've become friends and family, and I'm so excited to always bring guests like yourself that can really impact how we make decisions, so thank you. Thanks all for tuning in today. You guys have become friends and family of the community, and it is the community that I really appreciate, and that keeps me coming back each week to bring you new guests to talk about the future of food and what it means for our health wellness on the planet. So today's episode, if you liked it, don't forget to subscribe, like and share it with a friend. And whether you listen to us, on Spotify, or wherever you listen to your podcasts, or on YouTube, we have choices for both, so please don't forget to like, subscribe and share.
